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    The Regenerative Journey podcast is a must for anyone who is curious about regenerative agriculture and the wide ranging and significant benefits of its adoption and practice, not just for farming communities but also for anyone who eats food and cares for the planet!

    In each episode, Charlie takes the listener on his guest’s regenerative journey as he uncovers their inspirational stories, touching on topics including the regenerative agriculture definition, natural capital, the psychology of transitioning to regenerative farming practices and principles, and partnering with Nature.

    The first series launched in May 2020 with the support of Landcare Australia and was shortlisted in the Best Interview category for the 2020 Australian Podcast Awards – quite some feat indeed. Series 1  was fantastically received with over 42.5 k downloads (still rising) from across Australia and further afield with increasing interest from listeners in the USA, Europe, South America and more.  Series 1 included interviews with Damon Gameau, Joel Salatin and Maree Lowes among others. We are currently steaming through Series 2 which is proving to be a cracker with total downloads now exceeding 130 k !

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    The story so far .. At the start of 2020, when setting out on my adventure with the Regenerative Journey I was pretty excited . I knew it was going to be quite something to interview and converse with some truly inspirational guests about their regenerative journeys… Now, with season 2 of the podcast wrapped up, I can 100 % say that I have been blown away by the interest and support I have seen in this venture and that I have been truly humbled by all those I have interviewed.
    Initially, my focus was agriculture but as this year has proven to us all, there is a need for regeneration in all aspects of our life – it’s our one big chance to repair from the inside out and thus the Regenerative journey podcast is evolving to encompass regeneration across the fold.

    The intention is for Series 3 to go live in early Feb .. to help us realize that dream & keep the journey on track so to speak, we have decided to launch a Patreon page. Creating a Patreon community gives any listener who feels that they might like to help contribute to the running costs of the podcast, the opportunity to do so in return for some exclusive members only perks!

     

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Episodes

  • Ep 24 | Charlie Arnott

    Charlie’s guest for Episode 25 is David Pocock. David has been named one of the best rugby players of all time, however his skills and interests go far beyond the international Rugby stage. Growing up on a Zimbabwean farm David’s interest in human and Natural ecology has been nurtured from a young age. When his family fled Zimbabwe in 2008 he brought that love of the landscape to Australia with him. David has since juggled his rugby career and advocacy for the protection of environments and rural community development, both here in Australia and back home in Zimbabwe.

    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group .

    To join our Patreon community click here – Patreon patrons receive exclusive access to webinars and transcripts + a range other perks in the making!

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    Episode Takeaways: 

    Dave grew up on a flower, vegetable and beef farm in middle of Zimbabwe | Alan Savory the well known and controversial farmer and politician was an inspiration, as was Johann Zietsman who both challenged the traditional mindset | Dave was always interested in nature and human ecology and wanted to be a park ranger | Both Dave’s parents are from farming families | Zimbabwean reform program in 1999-2000 was badly executed which led his family to be kicked off their farm and their emigration to Australia | Dave spent 3 years in high school in Brisbane and threw himself into sport in 2008-9 | In Zimbabwe, some of the projects that Dave has participated in, target food and water security issues, through organisations such as ‘Farming Gods Way’ | Dave advocates connecting with the Australian landscape by spending time outside and  in nature developing one’s  Ecological and landscape literacy | The somewhat necessary control of invasive species such as horses is controversial | Dave is completing a Masters of Sustainable Agriculture at Charles Sturt University | His father has been a significant mentor, as was his mothers father | Reading has played a big part in David’s connecting to Australia | Alan Savory was an outspoken politician against the Rhodesian gov ref. apartheid, and it seemed that it was his ( Alan’s ) moving away from Africa that allowed him to amplify his wisdom and Holistic Management (HM) education to a wider global audience | Dave doesn’t feel fully accepted as a Zimbabwean now | Technology has brought us benefits but it has also brought us closer to the cliff edge | South Zimbabwean Project aims to support ag and community development to create thriving people and ecosystems as part of UNDP.

    Episode Links:

    David Pocock – Official website and Linktr.ee links

    IG – David Pocock

    In Our Nature – Book by David & Emma Pocock 

    Alan Savory Zimbabwean ecologist, livestock farmer, and president and co-founder of the Savory Institute

    Savory Institute – The Savory Institute equips land managers with innovative tools and curricula and conducts research on the ecological, social, and financial outcomes associated with Holistic Management

    Johann Zietsman – South African cattle farmer & practical scientist

    Zimbabwes Land Reform 

    Farming God’s Way A resource given to the wider body of Christ, to equip the poor and break the yoke of poverty first pioneered in Zimbabwe in 1984.

    MA Sustainable Agriculture – Charles Sturt University

    Call of the Reed Warbler – Book by Charles Massy

    Dark Emu – Book by Bruce Pascoe

    A Sand County Almanac – Book by Aldo Leopold

    Holistic Management – Definition 

    Moorlands Lamb – Biodynamic lamb producer Vince Heffernan , Yass NSW 

    Climate Change Adaptation Program (Zim) – UNDP

     

     

     

  • Ep 24 | Charlie Arnott

    In the first Episode of Series 3 our podcast host Charlie Arnott picks up the mic and shares his thoughts and insights into the world of regenerative agriculture currently and identifies some key trends and areas of growth to watch in 2021. The episode also includes a preview of what’s in store in the upcoming series. If the growing interest in the regen movement is anything to go by, then you would be strongly advised to fasten those seat belts and get ready for a powerful & life altering Series 3!

    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group .

    To join our Patreon community click here – Patreon patrons receive exclusive access to webinars and transcripts + a range other perks in the making!

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    Episode Takeaways: 

    Charlie talks about activity on his farm ‘Hanaminno’ and compares January 2021 with that of 2020 | The growing consumer interest  in the origins of the food they are eating | Simple concept – the impact of and the outcome of people being more curious about their food has a global significance | The role parents play in setting a good example – children are appreciating this and getting onto the band wagon, setting wonderful examples for life | Men are good at looking for solutions, it’s women who are good at getting the stuff done | Organic or non chemically produced food should be the normal and the chemically produced should be labelled ‘chemical’, turn it around | Re: the financial sectors growing interest in regen ‘Formulating a value based on not the infrastructure. What hasn’t been looked at until now is what’s under the ground. What you can’t see is some of the most important real estate we have | More consideration should be given to how and who should be farming the land.

    Episode Links:

    www.charliearnott.com.au

    Patreon page for the Regenerative Journey podcast 

    RCS – Grazing for Profit Course

    Growing Nutritious Food in your Backyard w/ Biodynamics Urban Taster session w/ Hamish Mackay & Charlie Arnott – March 2021

    It’s in the Soil – Harris Farm Markets regen campaign Feb 2021

    Odonata – Nigel Sharp / Sam Marwood

    Cultivate Farms – Sam Marwood

    Venture Organic – Adam Gibson

    The Big Little Farm – film and film director John Chester

     

     

  • Ep 23 | Pt 2 | Tommy Herschell

    In Part 2 of Charlie’s interview with Tommy Herschell, Tommy dives further into the workshops he facilitates, runs through his ‘Form guide for a fella’, and pulls apart the myth of the ‘male code’ or ‘mens lore’ using his own experiences and insights.

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    Episode Takeaways:

    Tommy facilitates both men’s and boys workshops where he encourages them to tell their story and/or listen | The number 1 skill to learn from these workshops is that it’s ok not to be going good…’ | Form guide for a fella 1. Drop anchor – Stop for 60 secs, 2. Take stock-assess the situation, 3. Get out of the queue – step away from old paradigms and actions, 4. Road test -what’s another way to handle the situation, 5. Kill the pig – challenge yourself, 6. Eat the frog – delay gratification, 7. Chew the fat but don’t spin the yarn | People from the land are honest | Neil Pringle legend rugby league player mentor of Tommy’s | Find a mate you can talk to | Read a hard book

    Episode Links: 

    Tommy Herschell  – you can contact Tommy via his website / email & tel. # are at footer of page.

    Find ya feet – You Tube / Mahindra collaboration

    Raise – Tommy is an ambassador

    Tomorrow Man – reinventing masculinity

     

  • Ep 23 | Pt 1 | Tommy Herschell

    In this episode Charlie interviews teacher and mentor Tommy Herschell.

    Tommy Herschell is well placed to facilitate workshops that break down the myth that men and boys can’t talk about their feelings and problems, given his own experiences as a boy and young man. In this interview he courageously dives deep into his past, from a reliance on alcohol to help douse the pain of various childhood experiences, to now facilitating workshops to help males rewrite their stories of what it is to be a man, and societies expectation of them.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

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    Episode Takeaways:

    Tommy and Charlie met a few years ago in Melbourne at a conference and Tommy’s first trip to Hanaminno was to bring Charlie a couple of bee hives | Pittwater in Sydneys Northern Beaches is where Tommy calls home | He grew up in Tugan, QLD, and had typical boyhood fun in the suburbs and surfing | When he was 10 years old things changed for Tommy when his parents separated – his reaction and way to deal with this was to get into trouble at school and telling tall stories etc | He had anxiety about everything and drinking became a crutch in his late teens | His woodwork teacher inspired him to be a school teacher | He traveled the world with a surf magazine where he met his wife Clare | Tommy doused his problems with alcohol like farmers douse their problem (weeds, pests etc) with chemical poisons | Best mate Bing called him on his behaviour | Tommy says Clare has no filter and see’s the best in people! | She calls him out, and had the courage to help him break his destructive cycle of behaviour | A victim mentality played a big part in his life | MATE – stands for Meet At The End, and is derived from the World War 1 | He realised he needed to do the work he’s doing now, it’s a way to give back and is a kind of therapy for himself | Find Ya Feet was born via the relationship he developed with Bastien Madrill who was dying of an aggressive cancer, Ewings sarcoma. Bastien taught Tommy many things about life and his appreciation of it | Tommy now works in many bush community’s, including Dubbo, Trangie and Narromine, and with Matt Hayden in QLD | The workshops Tommy facilitates explore the concept of ‘men’s law’, and breaks down the myth that men and boys aren’t meant to talk about their feelings and problems they are facing | In 2 hours Tommy Herschell adds a truckload of tools to a blokes belt for when they need that helping hand to start the conversation that ultimately saves lives. He does that by championing vulnerability, role modelling speaking up, and showing a real man puts up his hand for help. This workshop transforms the bloke who thinks it’s weak to speak into the champion who knows we go from zero to hero simply by tellin’ and owning our story!

    ‘We’re allowed to make mistakes…It’s how we come back from those mistakes that makes a man a man‘.

    Episode Links: 

    Tommy Herschell – Tommy’s website

    Bastien Madrill story

    Farmers Friend workshops – Tommy & Charlie working together

    Matthew Hayden & Find Ya Feet – YouTube

  • Ep 22 | Chris Eggert

    In this episode Charlie chats with his uni-friend dairy farmer Chris Eggert

     

    Charlie attended university with 4th generation dairy farmer Chris Eggert and whilst they hadn’t seen each other often since picked up right where they left off with a both lighthearted and deep dive into Chris’s life and regenerative journey from growing up a conventional dairy farm to being regarded as one of the best dairy farmers in Australia. His ability to adapt general regenerative practices and philosophies, and his logical, courageous, mindful, can do approach to farming has continued the legacy of a family farm any farmer would be proud of.

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    Episode Takeaways : 

    Chris Eggert is a 4th generation from Wauchope, on the mid north coast of NSW | Eggert Farm (Oxhill Organics) has been certified organic for 20 years, converted in 2000 due to deregulation of the dairy industry | At that time the farm had just been bought from previous generation | Very conventionally run prior to going organic | His mother has built yoga studio on farm and is a very steadying influence on the men on the farm! | The family eats mostly from farm and nearby produce, and focus on creating a community through food and health | Work was once a chore for Chris and now is relaxing due to his change in attitude |It was once all about production, highly NPK fertilizer dependent, with animal health regimes of hormones and antibiotics |
    Chris suspects the cause of most animal sickness was from the use of urea on pasture | He was going into battle with his cows every time at milking, now it’s a joy and type of meditation |Easy calving now,  with no vet bills now- in 1999 before transitioning their vet bill was $20k |Improvement in soil takes time, improvement in animal health happens very quickly ‘once you take out the bad stuff’ | Farm biodiversity was not relevant back then | When Chris was young he wasn’t sure what wanted to do for a career |He attended University of New England (UNE) to do a Natural Resource Management degree, and deep down wanted to come back to the family farm | Chris did a Diploma in teaching in the 2000’s and taught casually at local high school to support income while transitioning |Uni taught Chris to work and learn | Deregulation of the dairy industry pushed Chris to change away from his conventional practices and there was a pull towards organic food through a growing demand for products |He went cold turkey and cut out all synthetic chemicals and fertilisers over night | Balanced soil creates healthy cows and the best milk |Chris attended a Holistic Management course run by legend HM educator Bruce Ward | Chris attended many conferences, read many books including Joel Salatin- You can Farm  followed the work of Elaine Ingham, Gary Zimmerman and Jerry Brunetti and did lots of experimentation | Chris emphasises the importance of capturing nutrients (ie. manure and urine) in the system, and says he ‘farms vertically not horizontally’, focusing on the health of the soil | The head space of farmers and wellness is not generally of interest to banks and government |Customer understanding of the importance of clean nutritious food is increasing |A farm is a great place for kids to grow up | Chris’s protein and fat measurements are both 20-30% more now then when farming conventionally | He has a number of enterprises- lambs, chickens and pigs -diversity is important not just to the health of the farm but to the mental health of the human inhabitants |‘Be you not someone else’. |Chris used wood chip mulch to create fungal highways to spread biology throughout his farm via the cows feet

    Episode Links :

    Oxhill Organics 

    HM educator Bruce Ward 

    Joel Salatin- You can Farm

    Elaine Ingham – Soil Food Web

    Biological Farmer –  Gary Zimmer  

    Jerry Brunetti – You Tube 

    Mara seeds

  • Ep 21 | Hamish Mackay

    In this episode Charlie chats with his friend and education partner Hamish Mackay

     

    Charlie has interviewed Hamish Mackay many times for his Youtube channel and this interview is a poignant reminder that whilst the principles of regenerative agriculture, and specifically Biodynamics, remain the same, its application and adaption to landscapes and communities is ever changing and definitely on the rise. Hamish takes listeners for a ride into the world of Biodynamics, leaving us with very practical and compelling steps we can take to produce better food and improve the health of our planet

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.  

    Episode Takeaways :

    Hamish grew up near Braidwood, NSW on a family sheep and cattle farm | Andrew his brother is his major mentor | Travelled Australia before going home to the farm and Alex Poloinsky visited the farm in 1972. Alex showed him his farm through different eyes | Alex made Hamish aware of his farm in a physical sense, made him aware of soil health | Hamish was also involved in the wool industry and worked at the famous Demeter Bakery in Glebe, Sydney | Change in the agriculture world is slowly happening and now building momentum | The practice of Biodynamics is very easy and is a form of environmental and food security when inevitably we meet challenges in the food production and environment health space | It will be important to have people in the world who are practicing Biodynamics to ensure food security as conventional practices continue to fail | 1960s was the start of change in the dairy industry in Australia | Currently there are many people in agriculture as a result of obligation to their family, rather than because it’s their destiny and are passionate about it | Spiritual science uses scientific methodology to investigate ‘things we can’t see’ | People are becoming more aware of value in organic produce both economically and nutritionally | We need to collaborate, not be competitive, in the regenerative agriculture world | Consumers are ultimately in the position to ‘judge’ the success or otherwise of regenerative farming practices | Regenerative farming is not prescriptive agriculture. That is one if its defining characteristic that sets it apart from industrial farming | The diaries of early white explorers identified that indigenous peoples managed the landscape as a ‘parkland’ like landscape | Bill Gammage in ‘The Biggest Estate on Earth’, Bruce Pascoe in ‘Dark Emu’ and Joseph Jenkins in ‘The Diary of a Welsh Swagman’ highlighted this phenomena | Our landscape is now a bit like teenagers going through puberty – its chaotic, and the recent Summer bushfires were a reflection of this | The Australian landscape was once managed, prior to white settlement. Now it’s being pillaged. It is ‘managing’ us. Again, the ferocity and complete disruption and destruction of bushfires reflects this | Biodynamic food and pasture is more mineral dense and therefore harder to digest and makes organs work harder (which keeps them healthier) In addition, one needs to eat less of it (and it is also harder to burn which makes it potentially more fire resistant) | Healthy humic aerated soil retains moisture and biology even in a drought | All mental illness has a physiological basis | Current industrial medical system treats symptom, not the cause | Nutritionally dense food impacts positively the social fabric of individuals, families and communities

    Episode Links : 

    Hamish Mackay – Farming Secrets profile

    Hamish Mackay & Charlie Arnott | Biodynamics Workshops  – 2021 workshop dates will be announced soon. Check back to www.charliearnott.com.au for dates.

    Martin Royds – farmer and regenerative farming advocate

    Mulloon institute a research, education and advocacy not-for-profit organisation

    Blackthorn Trust  – is a supportive therapeutic environment in which people can recover, grow and develop.

    Low Tox Life  – Alexx Stuart

  • Ep 20 | Matt Moran

    In this episode Charlie chats with his good friend Matt Moran.

     

     

    Charlie sat with Matt Moran in his restaurant ‘Chiswick’ in Sydney overlooking his kitchen garden from which herbs and vegetables are harvested to supplement the dishes prepared in the kitchen. It’s a great example of Matt’s dedication to seasonality, accountability and authenticity in cooking, and highlights his connection to the source of his produce and the farmers which produce it. And being a farmer himself he has kept his feet firmly on the ground despite his successes and critical acclaim.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.  

    Episode Takeaways :

    Chiswick, the restaurant Charlie interviewed Matt in, has a rich history, is one of the oldest restaurants in Sydney and was originally a soup kitchen for navy personnel | The Kitchen garden at Chiswick makes its chefs accountable for what’s in season and on the menu | Covid has bought out the best and the worst in people | Matt grew up near Tamworth in the mid 70s then moved to western suburbs of Sydney and still had connections to farming through his family’s farm at Taralga | Matt’s interest in food started in the home economics class at high school because there were 18 girls and only 2 boys in the class! | Started his career in the kitchen at Parramatta RSL | Searched for work in kitchens during early year 11 | First apprenticeship at La Belle Helene French fine dining in Roseville with Chef Michael de Laurence | He loved his work and was besotted with food | La belle Helene cooking technique and refinement | Matt’s appreciation of quality was developed at Matt’s second job, at The Restaurant Manfredi – he learnt about the importance of quality produce | His first restaurant was The Paddington Inn 1991 and first chefs hat at age 23 in the same year | One of his secrets to success was to surrounded himself with people smarter than him | He opened ‘Moran’s’ in 1995 & various others before opening his signature restaurant Aria | Turning point was decision to expand to give others (his staff and associates) the opportunity to develop their skills and opportunities | Bruce Solomon is his business partner. It was important to bring different skills to the table. And brings a customers (Non chef) perspective | High stress industry that has a history of suicide | Legacy of working long hours and lack of support. Culture of perfectionism and ‘don’t share your troubles’ | More openness and support now | Rates of suicide and history is similar to farming world | Planning to build farm stay accommodation at his farm near Thurstan similar to Kimo Estate farm stay near Gundagai | Olive oil is best for flavouring not cooking, grape seed best for cooking! | Definitely rest steaks before serving! | Advice for chefs. Don’t do it for the fame and glory. Do it because you’re passionate about it. Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life | Matt is a Thankful4farmers ambassador – it’s a charity raising funds through product partnerships to then grant funds to regenerative farmers and associated businesses to promote the uptake of technology, regenerative practices, and enhance community and farming family well being | Matt is a judge of the delicious produce awards | Australia has the best produce in world. Chefs and customers are spoilt for choice and variety of seed stock, such as the variety of heirloom seeds at Diggers gardening club | Whilst the industry is very competitive, chefs are very respectful, supportive and friendly to each other | If Matt could put a billboard near a highway for all to see, he would have the message ‘Be Kind’ on it…

    Episode Links  :

    Matt Moran

    Kitchen Tales – Matt’s new YouTube series, Nov 2020

    Chiswick Restaurant – Sydney

    Manfredi Restaurant – Sydney

    Genevieve Copland – Hospitality Trainer and Assessor

    Aria Restaurant – Sydney

    Kimo Estate –  Farm Stay and venue, Gundagai, NSW

    Thankful4Farmers – Matt is an ambassador

    Delicious Produce Awards

    Lord Dudley Hotel – Sydney

    Straight from the Source – an online platform where you can search, explore and connect with the source of your produce.

  • Ep 19 | Pt 2 Mick Wettenhall

    This is the second part of Charlie’s chat with Mick Wettenhall.

     

     

    Charlie caught up with Mick Wettenhall at his property ‘Weemabah’ at Trangie, NSW to dig into his own regenerative journey. Mick most recently has been progressing research into a little know fungi that has an enormous capacity to sequester carbon in the soil. Mick would rather see an agricultural evolution than an agricultural revolution, highlighting that if we are to support the adoption of regenerative practices it needs to be ‘adaptable’ to their current farming situations.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

    Episode Takeaways:

    Dr James White pioneered the research into plants farming microbes back in 2013 |Think big, start small, scale fast | There is a massive potential to sequest carbon in soil, farmers just need to know how | The key to driving a shift in farmers thinking of how they can contribute to reversing climate change is the conscious consumer through their buying choices | ‘Create a product or service that people can patronize to make that difference | ’The only thing missing to rapidly progress the research and uptake of carbon sequesting practices in this space is money | You can’t manage what you don’t measure | Farmers need to be remunerated for the carbon they sequest and nutritious food they grow | Hand held nutrition scanning technology is developing rapidly |Market gets what market wants |Create a demand economy lead by consumers to support farmers to grow more nutritious food |Mick uses a number of Johnson Su compost bioreactors to make  fungal dominant compost which he then makes an extract from to spread on his crops | It is essentially a static pile aerobic compost | Once the thermophilic stage is complete worms are then added (vermophilic) | If the same amount of funds that is currently invested in industrial Ag ‘solutions’ was invested in regenerative farming techniques…….. | Truth is first ridiculed, then opposed then accepted as fact | Next generation will want to be part of the solution | Mick attended Landmark in his early 30s. It could be called a personal development course, however is so much more…Charlie has completed the course as well | Landmark Forum is essentially ‘Holding a mirror up against ones self to help identify why one does the things one does ‘….

    Episode Links : 

    Aust soil planners group  – Australia’s largest sustainable group of farmers.

    Quality Agriculture’ – John Kempf

    David Johnson

    ‘The Great Disruption’  – Paul Gilding

    Landmark Forum 

  • Ep 19 | Pt 1 Mick Wettenhall

    In this episode chats with Mick Wettenhall.

     

     

    Charlie caught up with Mick Wettenhall at his property ‘Weemabah’ at Trangie, NSW to dig into his own regenerative journey. Mick most recently has been progressing research into a little know fungi that has an enormous capacity to sequester carbon in the soil. Mick would rather see an agricultural evolution than an agricultural revolution, highlighting that if we are to support the adoption of regenerative practices it needs to be ‘adaptable’ to their current farming situations.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

     

    Episode Takeaways: 

    Mick is an ex-saddle bronc rider | ‘Agriculture needs to be an evolution not a revolution’ | He was conventional farming at Trangie back in early 2000 | Mick highlights the situation agriculture and the human race is in, that of the ‘Frog boiling in the pot’, the environment and human health is in decline and we are not noticing the rapid decline in both | Mick is farming multi species forage crops and cattle now from a conventional mixed farming and cotton operation prior to him taking over management from his father in-law | The potential to build soil carbon is enormous | The environment is subsiding the cost of food |Family succession was managed by Micks father in law very well, which is not always the experience of farming families | Mick was inspired by a presentation by Tim Flannery in 2006 on climate change | The catalyst for the creation of Soil C Quest was at the Carbon Conference Dubbo 2013 with Mick’s good mate Guy Webb | Peter McGee was the microbiologist who had discovered the particular fungi that Soil C Quest are furthering the research on to sequest significant amounts of Carbon in soil | Carbon is lost to the environment when in the presence of air or water | Carbon found in a micro aggregate was determined to be put in there by fungi and consequent research identified that the fungi could increase C levels by 17 times in 10 weeks in this particular case | melanised endophytic fungi | How do we get main stream agriculture to adopt practices to sequestrate Carbon | Soil C Quest (NFP) is developing an Endophytic innoculum seed dressing | The Soil C Quest big break came when Mick was interviewed on the BBC | Horizons ventures become interested and are now the lead investor | Soil Carbon Company created to develop the product The seed application product is applicable to grazing systems and however needs more research required.

    Episode Links:

    Soul C Quest

    Grassroots video – A story about farmers, the soils they work and a piece of powerful knowledge that nearly slipped through their fingers. Grassroots follows Guy Webb and his friends, unlikely heroes on a quest to bring a genuine climate change solution to the world.

    AFR article on Horizons Ventures & Soil Carbon Co

    Horizons Ventures – Venture capital firm

    Soil Carbon Company

  • Ep 18 | Nicho Plowman

    In this episode chats with Nicho Plowman.

     

     

    Nicho articulately draws together the many parallels between meditation and regenerative agriculture in this long awaited interview with Charlie’s cousin and co-founder of the worlds most used digital meditation platform Insight Timer (20million users).

    The connections with ones health, sense of purpose and the place from where one observes the film of our own lives in the ‘ conscious cinema of our mind’ are highlighted, and the benefits of meditation as an antidote to the treadmill of life are explored by Nicho and Charlie. A life affirming conversation for those who are grappling with the speed and intensity of our times.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

    Episode Takeaways:

    There are many parallels between the philosophies of meditation and regenerative agriculture | Nicho had a 20 year period of ‘experimentation’ and pushing the boundaries somewhat before finding Vedic meditation 10 years ago | His challenges in that period created learning’s that have enabled him to help others | He developed the Insight timer app which today has almost 20m meditators following it,  over 10,000 meditation / yoga teachers and publishers, a 60,000 track library – and counting… more time spent on Insight each day than all other meditation apps, combined | Nicho just didn’t learn to meditate, he learned to teach it and has made it his life’s work to continue to  help others experience a deeper conscious state ‘When people get up in the morning and go straight to fb where is their motivation?’ | Vedic meditation is practiced twice a day for 20 mins‘ | Our physiology is designed to be in a place where it is balanced and engaging purposefully’ | ‘There is no treatment in the world that we might find externally that can actually do a better job | ‘We have gone into the earth to rip up resources to extend life’ | Meditation is about restoring mental and physical and spiritual health through sitting further back in the conscious cinema of our mind, away from the front row of our lives. Meditation builds resilience to life | The soil is an encapsulation of life itself through its complexity, interplay and interdependence | Biodynamics reconnects people to their food, and inspires people to change behaviour | Do as I do, not as I say…setting an example of behaviours for our children is more important than telling them how to be | Treating the symptom is a ‘proven failed strategy’, were just playing a game of ‘whack a mole’ | ‘Behaviours don’t change until consciousness changes’ | ‘There is creative thinking and solutions out there……. but we’re just sucking up the stuff that’s negative’ | ‘You need to go into the dark to appreciate the light’ | Meditation gives you a reminder of who your truly are | The foundation to the human experience is not just all of this individual external validation. The underlying part of where we came from is our universal Experience as it relates to the moment we were created’

    Episode Links:

    Nicho Plowman – Insight Timer Co Founder and Vedic Meditation Teacher

    Insight Timer –  free meditation app

    Harvest – restaurant, NSW

    Charlie Arnott – IG

    Tim Brown – meditation coach

    The One Wild & Precious Life –  Sarah Wilson

  • Ep 17 | Rachel Ward

    In this episode Charlie talks to actress & director Rachel Ward.

     

     

    A little under thirty-three years ago Rachel and her husband Bryan Brown bought a small farm in the Nambucca Valley on the NSW coast. Until recently they had been managing the farm conventionally but the 2019 devastating bush fires launched her onto a very different trajectory… In this frank interview Rachel talks about how the bushfires were a catalyst for change and how since then she has jumped boots and all onto the regenerative agricultural train, implementing significant changes to her farming practices & lifestyle on the way. She is currently compiling a documentary focusing on the regenerative agricultural movement.

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    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

    Episode Takeaways:

    I fell in love with the Nambucca valley, NSW, 30 years ago | I grew up on a farm in the Cotswolds in UK | Our farm was managed conventionally and recently we have moved to a more Regenerative approach . It’s not important to me that our children or grandchildren take over and live on the farm, more that they have had exposure to it and can make informed decisions about it in the future. |  I am much more excited about farming now that we are managing it regeneratively. | It’s given her a whole new perspective, a holistic perspective on managing her farm, and the more she gets involved, the more rewards there are. | Farmers have a responsibility beyond their own property boundary, especially in regard to the use of chemicals, as it tends to move out of the landscape via water and air to other farms and ecosystems | NMS is a method of propagating native fungi to use to aim the breakdown of wood and lignified grass. | The Call of the Reed Warbler by Charlie Massy changed her life…….it was full of opportunity and hope, and she was completely electrified by it…just seems like a no brainer…| It doesn’t cost a cent to change a paradigm| Matching personal and business values with landscape needs can be challenging | To sell or not to sell my cows, that is the question, as ones emotional attachment to livestock can sometimes stand in the way of the best decisions for the landscape | Rachel is a big fan and appreciates the value of mentors |  Rachel’s neighbours have joined forces and put their cattle together to move them around the combined properties to improve grazing management and soil health | Rachels property is in Gumbaynggirr  country | Regenerative farmers are enthusiastic and ‘alive’ and ignited to the world and their properties | Farmers have a very serious role to play in the saving of the planet | Rachel supports ‘eaters’ to source and purchase regeneratively grown food, and in doing so contribute to the growth of these practices | The fires of 2019 were a major ‘tension event’ that was a catalyst for my regenerative journey | Rachel is a member of the Land to Market co-op which verifies  the improvement of  landscape through management by annually measuring biological activity and soil composition.

     

    Episode Links: 

    Rachel Ward

    Rachel Ward a- IG  

    Allan Savory Ted talk was totally inspiring to Rachel 

    Allan Savory Institute 

    Kym Kruse Regen Ag  consultant

    Call of the Reed Warbler – Charles Massy

    KLR Marketing 

    Land to Market

  • Ep 16 | Dr Ron Ehrlich

    In this episode Charlie chats with holistic dentist Dr. Ron Ehrlich.

     

     

    Dr Ron Ehrlich is far from a conventional dentist. After a ‘normal’ initial training in dentistry, Dr Ron started to connect the dots between oral hygiene, the influence that diet had on the development of the body,  over all human health and the health of the soil in which that food was  grown. Charlie explores with Ron his journey into his holistic approach to dental care and how regenerative agriculture plays a critical role in providing the quality of food necessary to promote good health. Dr Ron also dives into the  topic of ‘environmental medicine’ and how we can mitigate against various detrimental impacts of chemicals, toxins and electro magnetic frequency radiation. Dr Rons breadth of knowledge provides a compelling perspective on the importance of the connection between dental, human and environmental health.

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    Episode Takeaways:

    The combination of biology, technology, psychology and freedom drew Ron to dentistry | There’s a huge amount of psychology and intimacy in dentistry | It’s a potentially very stressful environment for both dentist and patient with dentistry related vocations ranking 1,2 and 3 for the worst jobs in the world! | The mouth is connected to multiple organs and areas of the body not generally understood nor considered by the conventional dentistry fraternity | There are many parallels between holistic dentistry and regen agriculture in that it treats the causes not the symptoms, and focus on what one is in control of | Ron’s considered and non- confrontational approach to pushing the boundaries of dentistry has been very effective, reflected of one of his mantra’s ‘Get your house in order before being critical of others’ | Ruminant urine is a beautiful thing as it contains plant growth hormones and stimulates the production of plant based  Pseudomonas syringae  bacterium that floats up into the atmosphere and helps to seed rain! |Regen farming practices and outcomes are a no brainer for Ron who sits outside the agricultural world however is very connected to it via his patients mouths | 5 human stressors are environmental, emotional, nutritional, postural and dental | Gut, oral and soil biome are similar in that the more diverse these environments are the more healthy and resilient they will be | The resource isn’t the problem it’s the management of that resource that matters, there needs to be a holistic context for its management | Change will not come from government or professional organisations, they are slow to accept new ideas, they are protective of their own egos and reputations and they lack common sense | Environmental medicine is one of Dr Ron’s areas of study and advocacy – Only, approx. 5 % of environmental chemicals are formally tested | We are exposed to multiple chemicals over our lifetimes, 140,000 chemicals currently in the world increasing by 2-3,000 every year. We are also exposed to moulds, dust, and out gassing of chemicals |…and Electro Magnetic Frequency (EMF) radiation could be to the 21 st century what lead in petrol and tobacco was to 20th century | Sleep is our built-in, non negotiable life support system, 7-9 hours a night. Tips for listeners regarding environmental toxicities

    Check for mould dust mites bedding
    No technology before or near bed
    No electrical currents near bed

    Computers emit blue light which is in the ultra violet spectrum and impacts our melatonin levels | Building Biologists can help advise on the impacts of EMF in buildings.

    Episode Links : 

    Dr. Ron Ehrlich –  holistic health advocate, dentist, educator, podcaster and an internationally published author.

    Sydney Holistic Dental Centre – run in partnership with his brother Dr. Joshua Ehrlich

    Nourishing Australia  Dr Ron helped found Nourishing Australia with Vicki Poulter, a NFP dedicated to healthy plants, healthy animals, healthy people and a healthy planet

    The Meter Man – A huge range of innovative farm, agricultural, horticultural meters, probes, instruments, tools and resources from David Von Pein

    The Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine ( ACNEM)  in Victoria is a good place for health care professionals

    Low Tox Life Podcast – Alexx Stuart . For families and individuals looking for invaluable info.

     

     

     

     

  • Ep 15 | Murray Prior

    In this episode Charlie chats with Murray Prior.

     

     

    This episode with Murray Prior discusses his unfolding from the corporate sector to becoming a custodian of the land.

    He is gentle spoken and modest about his farming experience yet his thoughtful and deft practices supports his every word. He opens up about the importance of having good mentors and sharing knowledge with peers, that indigenous cultures teach us to care for the land and not own the land, and that the powers of observation are key to understanding country.

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    Episode Takeaways:
    There was a search for some sort of higher purpose. Something that we could get involved in that frankly, even went past our own lifetimes | The big moment for me was when Charlie (Massy) was with me out in the paddocks. We had this nice moment where we were sitting and he was pointing out different things. He said to me “You know you don’t really own this place” | I’m not a religious person in a traditional sense but tapping into a sense of spirituality for the landscape of the indigenous people who had it before us and get into the feel of the place | I’m 48 years old now and I’m thinking, when this tree is a big tree it will be nearing the end of my time on the planet | I wanted my girls to understand that food doesn’t come in a polystyrene tray with glad wrap on it | One of the things that he does when he comes out is he’ll often go and grab some fresh green Eucalypt and he’ll pull that off as a branch. He’ll teach our girls that if you rub that on your armpit and then rub it on the ground, that’s his way of communicating with his ancestors | One of my big fears is if the girls found out we knew about climate change and knew we did nothing about it | There’s also a part of getting out of nature’s way. I’ve planted thousands of trees but there’s natural regen going on all the time | I think that being relatively new to the industry you don’t have the memory bank of seasons. While you might have some landscape literacy, you don’t have season literacy

    Episode Links:
    Call of the Reed Warbler – Charles Massy
    Charles Massy – TED talk Regenerative Agriculture
    Paul House – Ngambri Country Elder
    Welcome to Country – Paul House
    Aboriginal Smoking Ceremony
    Bruce Pascoe – Author, Ted Talk on Dark Emu
    Dark Emu – Bruce Pascoe
    Dark Emu for Kids – Bruce Pascoe
    Aboriginal Land Council – Explanation and Index of Councils by State
    The Barn Accommodation, Nguuurruu – Murray Prior’s Farm
    Dr Zach Bush – Author, Health Consultant and Environmentalist
    Hannamino Farm – Charlie Arnott
    Biodynamics – A Definition
    Biodynamics – Cow Manure Preparations
    Mickey Robertson – Glenmore House 

  • Ep 14 | Darren Robertson

    Charlie interviewed chef Darren Robertson of the Three Blue Ducks fame at The Farm at Byron Bay.

     

     

    Darren moved there 5 years ago after, amongst other things, being the head chef at the world famous Tetsuya restaurant in Sydney. Darren also speaks frankly about the pressures and strains of the hospitality industry, his initial interest in cooking, what he looks for in staff, and his gratitude for his life’s journey thus far. This is a conversation that will interest food lovers, farmers, the hospitality industry and everyone in between.

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    Episode Takeaways :

    Establishing the Three Blue Ducks restaurant at The Farm at Byron Bay was a massive step up and into the world of farming and sourcing fresh produce directly from producers | Creative ‘root to flower’ cooking with food straight from the paddock | Australian salads are the best in the world! | Marco Pierre White was Darren’s first culinary inspiration | Moved to Australia to work at the world famous Tetsuya in Sydney and fell in love with the food scene | Surfing was a game changer for keeping Darren focused and not falling down the rabbit hole of the late night hospitality industry | Advice for chefs in the time of Covid 19 | Hospitality industry mental health as a global crisis | Chefs evolving appreciation for food and its origins | Advice to a young Darren Robertson – put away 10% of income for Future opportunities and a rainy day, and be grateful today for what you have | Creating a community of passionate staff is a big part of their success | There’s no where to hide in a kitchen!  |The Biodynamic practice of peppering to rid rabbits of an area | Darren’s parting advice- be kind, and give it a crack!

    Episode Links:

    Darren Robertson – IG 

    Three Blue Ducks 

    The Farm – Byron Bay

    Tetsuyas – Restaurant

    Marco Pierre White – chef  / restranteur

     

     

  • Ep 13 | Peter Windrim

    This episode sees Charlie sit down with the impressively bearded and deep thinking Peter Windrim.

     

     

    Peter is a biodynamic winemaker and farmer, creative director, graphic designer and photographer. His contribution to agriculture has evolved by opening a wine bar in Byron Bay to encourage community and create conversation around natural wine. Having lived and worked on his family’s biodynamic vineyard in the Hunter Valley, he has philosophised his own definition of the practice which he explains with absolute conviction. He is a heart felt voice that places importance on knowing yourself and your vocation.

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    Episode Takeaways:
    I think there’s so much confusion there and I’ve been guilty myself of lip service and using other peoples words. So many people care about it and get lost in the beautifully, philosophical, touchy-feely nature of what biodynamics is | Rudolf Steiner, the father of biodynamics “Sulphur is what the spirit moistens its fingers with into the physical” | Thankfully now there are a lot of people who have caught the wave of the climate change movement & who have cottoned on to the importance of soil | I think there are certain products, the luxury consumables like wine, that people care a bit less about because they’re in it for a good time | Biodynamics is sympathetic agriculture but I felt lonely on the farm. Community is the backbone of what I do. I’m going to build a bar and build a community around natural wine | Wine was hijacked by the aristocrats and scientist 60-70 years ago. They gave it all this new language and judging shows based on clarity and purity and all of this stuff that wine wasn’t, and that farming isn’t, nor should it be | Biodynamics is like  the global pandemic, the more you learn to work with it, the more power it has | It sounds simple but if the farm looks good, aesthetically pleasingly good, you’ve done it right. And if you have pride in what you do, you’ll make it right | Everything that we do, informs the next thing that we do. We get so boxed in with where we should be….“No I can’t change career”….”no I’d have to study that first”…it’s such a shame that we feel like we can’t evolve with the fabric of our old selves | You’ve got to know what you know. People need to ask more questions

    Episode Links :

    Krinklewood Vineyard – Hunter Valley
    https://www.krinklewood.com/

    Supernatural – Wine Bar Byron Bay
    https://supernaturalbyronbay.com/

    Rudolf Steiner – Father of Biodynamics/Philosopher
    https://www.rudolfsteinerweb.com/

    Terroir in Wine – A Definition
    https://winefolly.com/tips/terroir-definition-for-wine/

    Organic & Biodynamic Wine – Wine Australia Education
    https://www.wineaustralia.com/education/organic-and-biodynamic-wine

    Radionics in Agriculture
    http://www.keyscollege.com/agriculture-and-horticulture/

    Nicolas Joly – Godfather of biodynamic wine/author
    https://coulee-de-serrant.com/en/home/

    Matthew Evans – farmer, author, The Gourmet Farmer, Fat Pig Farm
    https://fatpig.farm/

  • Ep 12 | Martin Royds

    In episode 3 Charlie interviews regenerative farmer Martin Royds.

     

     

    In this insightful interview with Martin Royds, he and Charlie discuss personal experiences relating to the polarising differences of conventional and holistic farming. As a fifth generation farmer, Martin evolved the family cattle property in Braidwood, NSW to biodynamic practices with a goal to reconnect city and country.  Together, they highlight the importance of economic influence in regenerative agriculture and solve the monetary concern that naïve consumers often have when purchasing nutrient rich food. There is an underlying subject that generational farmers have shifted their inherited knowledge over time to be in harmony with the environment and part of that comes from acknowledging the oversights of the past. Yet, the humility is in the fact that we are constantly learning.

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    Episode Takeaways:
    The epiphany was watching your land blowing away and thinking you need to do something different. Tried something different, the chemical experiment, and that was even worse |  Australian farmers have been extremely good at surviving in decreasing income and increasing costs. The difference now is setting a goal of where I want to be environmentally and socially and making every decision to reflect that  |  There is one kilo of glyphosate being used per every human on the planet. Our ancestors will look back at us and say “how on earth did you think that pouring that stuff onto the country was a good idea”  |  None of us looked at what was happening environmentally, we were asking how long it would take to get our money back  |  Most of our soils had 3% carbon and we mined it back to 1%  |  You can use double entry bookkeeping to fix the problem as soon as you add in environmental capital  |  Most farmers who are generational farmers find it hard to get out of “this is what my father or grandfather did” | Sadly, humans are one of the few species who leave the land behind them in a worse state  |  When people understand nutrient density in organic vegetables they will realise they can’t afford the cheap option because its poisoning me  |   My goal is that supermarkets will have to label their products with the amount of nutrients in those products. Ultimately that could lead to listing the amount of chemicals used to make it also |

    Episode Links:
    Nutri Soil – Biological Spray Solution
    Carbon in Soil – An explanation
    Double-Entry Bookkeeping – An explanation
    Charlie Massy – Author/Farmer
    Pennie Scott – The Bush Goddess
    Nutrient Dense crops – An explanation
    Carotene in Food – Definition
    Land to Market Australia – Organisation
    Joel Salatin – Farmer, lecturer, author
    Peter Andrews – Regenerative Agriculturalist
    Christine Jones – Amazing Carbon
    Dr Maarten Staper – BioLogic AgFood
    Alison Pouliot – Fungi Workshop, photographer

  • Ep 11 | Sarah Wilson

    Charlie’s guest for this episode is Sarah Wilson.

     

     

    Sarah Wilson, the New York Times best selling author, former journo and retired intrepid traveler shares her regenerative journey in a frank, open and honest chat with Charlie.

    The setting for the interview is Sarah’s Bondi apartment, her sanctuary and place she now calls home. Sarah recounts her fascinating story and explains what it is to finally put down roots. Charlie and Sarah share an open dialogue which touches on what regenerative agriculture means to Sarah, as she talks about the fragile state of mankind today in terms of diet, mental illness /disease, and the urgent need for realignment – a subject matter close to Sarah’s heart and aptly the focus of her new book: ‘This One Wild and Precious Life: A hopeful path forward in a fractured world’,  which has just hit the shelves.

    Put aside some time and delve in and listen to this life-changing episode now!

    Listen now:

    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

    Episode Takeaways:

    Every community needs an esoteric spinster wandering around the street | I interpret odd as not being necessarily bad. I I rebelled against some of the thinking around my upbringing however I maintained many of the sustainable minimalist principles. | I probably did a bunch of things that scared the living daylights of my parents. | It generally takes a slap down for those of us who have done a very big pivot in life, to do that pivot. | I believe when you have a longing in your soul.. Life will join you.  Life will corporate with you to steer you in direction. | (Talking about her auto-immune disease) – Gets your ego and scrapes you through the mud. | I had made a commitment, in the absence of any framework, into how to live life on this planet… If I hear a mention  of something three times in a row, I must act. | Meditation was a big part of my shift. It was being stripped bare, and being left with nothing. | Reduced down to the two suitcases.. And then the rest of my life started| I was aware of how off kilter we were  with our food system.. How much really basic logic we have managed to disrupt. We have created hyper normal problems. | There is a lot of sensible common sense stuff that  really we only have to look at the way our great grandparents to get an indication of what a really good sustainable life on this planet looks like. | I have been able to heal from multiple stress related / autoimmune disease I believe and reverse a lot of the markers because of the way I live – in nature, in dirt, in trees. | I describe a serious anxiety order as like carrying a shallow bowl of water around for the rest of my life. | I am feeling very overwhelmed very scared about what is going on in the world. | (talking about her book) I am reframing my anxiety through a new lens.

    Episode Links : 

    www.sarahwilson.com  – Sarah’s website Sarah Wilson website 

    I Quit Sugar Series – author Sarah Wilson

    First, We make the Beast Beautiful  – author Sarah Wilson

    This One Wild and Precious Life: A hopeful path forward in a Fractured World author Sarah Wilson

    Nicho Plowman – Vedic meditation teacher 

    The Conscious Club – Transformational Learning and Lifestyle centre

    Tim Brown – meditator

    Hashimoto’s disease – information 

    Dr James Hollis – jungian psychoanalysis. 

    Food Inc –  Joel Salatin movie

    Dr. Chris Kresser –   renowned expert, leading clinician, and top educator in the fields of Functional Medicine and ancestral health.

    Active Farmers  – country farmers/ riding bikes. 

    Chris Eggert – Norco / dairy farmer

    Nietzsche thinking –  german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche  

    Sils Maria – Town in Switzerland. 

    Heidi – book and later film

    William Wordsworth – English poet

    David Whyte – Irish poet

    Victor Frankel – Austrian neurologist & psychologist  

    Man’s Search for Meaning – Victor Frankel author   

    Fostering in Australia  – resources 

    Sir Ken Robinson – Ted Talk  

    Steiner Education – resources

     

     

     

  • Ep 10 | Pt 2 Charles Massy

    Part 2 of Charlie’s interview with Charles Massy.

     

     

    In part 2 of this interview, Charlie and Charles detail the difference between Complex Adaptive Systems and the Industrial Method of farming. Charles’ resonates his free flowing insight into the direct relationship between farming, food systems, human health and its effect on the mental health of ourselves and our children. They summarise the consequences of our increasing divorcement from nature and the job description of a regenerative farmer.

    Charles Massy is a devotee for regenerative farming and patriarch for land care advocates in Australia. He is a farmer, author and storyteller who has brought life to the ideals of so many scholars and forward thinkers that are fundamental to our human interaction on the ecosystem. He has deep empathy for nature that is in sync with land management.

    Listen now:

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    Episode Takeaways:

    Emergent Properties are the name they’ve given to elements within the system that will emerge when it needs to adapt. The solution lies within  |  If you have a healthy environment and you degrade it too far it will go to a stage that it’s almost impossible to get it back  |  In industrial farms you have drug addicted plants waiting for their fertiliser dose  |  Modern industrial food is causing all of these diseases causing havoc on human health  |  Most indigenous women in hunter-gatherer societies can identify at least 500 food or medicinal plant  in their landscape  |  We now find devastating evidence that the world’s most widely used herbicide is in almost all modern foods  |  For every child in Australia under aged under six, only 1 in 4 has ever climbed a tree or a rock  |  The solutions are simple: grow and eat healthy food and get out into nature as much as you can |

    Episode Links : 

    Holistic Management – Alan Savoury
    Nourishment – Fred Provenza
    Last Child In The Woods – Richard Louv
    Di Haggerty – Cropping Farmers
    A Thousand Days Program
    Zach Bush – Holistic Health and Wellbeing
    Patagonia Provisions – Yvonne Chouinard

  • Ep 10 | Pt 1 Charles Massy

    In the first episode of Series 2, Charlie interviews Charles Massy

     

     

    The introduction to Season 2 is a long overdue interview with Charles Massy,  devotee for regenerative farming and patriarch for land care advocates in Australia. He is a farmer, author and story teller who has brought life to the ideals of many scholars and forward thinkers that are fundamental to our human interaction on the ecosystem. He has deep empathy for nature that is in sync with land management.

    In part one of a two part interview, Charles is sat in his Severn Park home, unravelling his journey into farming. A profound love of nature from a young age helped his transition to inherent the family farm that he converted to regenerative agriculture, all while studying a degree in Ecology and a PhD in Human Ecology. He describes his “head cracking” moments into understanding the need to develop better practices to nurture the health of the ancient Australian landscape. His holistic, pragmatic words are like a wise father who the world over should come to hear.

    Listen now:

    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey Podcast Facebook Group.

    Episode Takeaways:

    Europeans came here under huge misunderstandings of how this land would behave  |  There were probably 15000 to 25000  years of indigenous landscape management before we came  |  If we are going to talk about humans on earth we have to understand how they impact our natural environment  |  The concept of we, humans and sustaining our environment is inseparable  |  Our cognitive function tends to lock in that world view and it takes a lot of disturbing to crack it open  |  There are excellent indigenous thinkers writing in this space. It takes a lot to get your head around but wow, we’re in kindergarten  |

    Episode Links: 

    Aldo Leopold – Ecologist, philosopher (website)

    Call of the Reed Warbler – Charles Massy

    Breaking The Sheep’s Back – Charles Massy

    The Australian Merino – Charles Massy

    RCS – Course

    Holistic Management – Course

    Project Drawdown – Paul Kawken

    Dark Emu – Bruce Pascoe

    Fire Country – Victor Steffensen

    Sand Talk – Tyson Yunkaporta

  • S1 E9 | Maree Lowes

    In the final episode of Series 1, Charlie’s guest is Maree Lowes or ‘Dirt Girl’.

     

     

    Maree chats about her current studies and passion for disaster resilience & sustainable development and what she believes can be done to help safe guard the planet & mankind for future generations…Maree and Charlie wrap up their conversation with an exciting announcement about a new collaboration that they are hard at work on!

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    Episode Takeaways :

    You can have all the facts in the world but if people haven’t connected with their hearts, with what it is we are trying to protect then it is really hard to sustain any behavioural change and to keep it going | We are as big and as small as the largest thing and the smallest things in the universe | A big principle of regenerative agriculture is learning to listen to the land and respecting the power of biodiversity and systems and the power that nature has | So early on in life, we are having the wrong conversations about what food offers us | (Talking about the Masters Maree is currently studying towards)…My heart is a little calmer as I feel that I am going to the crux of some of the work that needs to be done. Looking at the systems that are in place and why they’re not serving and why they’re not creating a resilient regenerative future for us | The fires on the back of the long drought…has brought it home to Aussies that idea of a drying and warming climate and the outcomes of that…isn’t a solely academic thing any more. It’s real | When the system is still going in the opposite direction it makes people question why they should make changes | Going forward, we need to learn to listen to ourselves again. This is going to be really important | The importance of staying connected to purpose and community are incredibly valuable | (On Charlie) I had a fan-girl moment when I found you that you were a Landcare Ambassador ! 

    Episode Links :

    Maree Lowes – Website 

    Jillamatong – Martin Royds property , Braidwood, NSW 

    Beyond the Brink – Peter Andrews, Farmer/ educator/ author

    Tarwyn Park Training – Natural Sequence Farming / Stuart Andrews

    Dark Emu – Bruce Pascoe 

    Climate Refugees – Definition

     Master of Disaster Resilience and Sustainable Development Program – Information 

    Radical Hope – Richard Lear author

    Psychological flexibility – Overview

    BYO Bottle Campaign – Jack Johnson/ Maree Lowes 

    Time banking – Definition 

    Landcare Australia Organisation 

    Bob Hawke Landcare Award 

    National Bushfire & Climate  Summit – June 2020

    Building Bridges to Boorowa – Landcare Gateway Project

    Mulloon Creek Institute 

    The Farm – Tom & Emma Lane / Byron Bay

    Three Blue Ducks – Restaurant / The Farm 

    Pocket City Farms – Food Education & Community

    Clayton Donovan – Chef 

    Joost Bakker – Activist and founder of Melbourne’s first zero waste restaurant

    Zach Bush – Physician & educator

    Carbon8 – Helen McCosker

    NRAD – 14th Feb annually

    NRAD & Kelly Jones 

    The Castle – Film 

    Rachel Ward – Film director / beef farmer 

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  • S1 E8 | pt 2 | David Marsh

    This is the episode (2 of 2 ) Charlie continues his chat with David Marsh, a stalwart of the Australian regen movement.

     

     

    In what is an enlightening and philosophical dialogue David takes us on his regenerative journey and steps us through the course of events that triggered David’s change in approach. In Part 2 David delves deeper into the psychology of change and offers advice to those looking to start the transition

    Listen now:

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    Episode Takeaways :

    What was growing in the paddocks early 1970? I didn’t know…compared to now, when I am absolutely obsessed with it | It was the time of showing that we had mastery over nature…a lot to do with subsidies given after the war…there was a Super Phosphate bounty…you were paid to put Super out | The mantra out West was sell and repent but sell | In Boorowa the mantra was hang on and hope you get lucky | We noticed trees dying. Mary and I went out and did some counts in a few paddocks where there were quite a few trees. We calculated that at the rate they were dying that in 70 years there wouldn’t be many alive. That was the embryo and the awakening of an ecological conscience | We had no idea what we were doing to be honest and thought we were forming a group because there were a lot of trees dying in Boorowa…but the trees were actually an indication of a whole lot of other things that were going on…we were ecologically blind | Corona 19 has made people reconsider how they have been living and how dependent they are on so many things that are high energy products | I used to see myself as an agent responsible for healing the land…there is nothing wrong with this but now I see myself as someone who is observing the landscape that is healing itself. 

    Links 

    The Cattle Crash  – 1974

    Ian Armstrong – Rural Action Movement 

    1982 drought NSW 

    Joan Kirner – Conservation Minister (1985 – 88) instrumental in formation of first Landcare Groups.

    Andrew Campbell – Formerly manager of the Potter Farm Plan initiative, first Landcare Coordinator and now CEO of the ACIAR ( Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research) 

    ACF – Australian Conservation Foundation 

    NFF – National Farmers Federation 

    Bob Hawke – Landcare involvement 

    Boorowa Community Landcare Group – History 

    Bertigan ( QLD)  Catchment Landcare Group / Gympie Landcare – History 

    An Agricultural Testament – Author Arthur Howard

    A Silent Spring – Author Rachel Carsons

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  • S1 E8 | Pt 1 | David Marsh

    This is the episode (1 of 2 ) Charlie chats to David Marsh, a stalwart of the Australian regen movement.

     

     

    In what is an enlightening and philosophical dialogue David takes us on his regenerative journey and steps us through the course of events that triggered David’s change in approach. In Part 1 we learn about how Landcare Australia came to be and David provides a valuable insight into Australian agriculture over the last 50 years.

    Listen now:

    Episode Takeaways :

    What was growing in the paddocks early 1970? I didn’t know…compared to now, when I am absolutely obsessed with it | It was the time of showing that we had mastery over nature…a lot to do with subsidies given after the war…there was a Super Phosphate bounty…you were paid to put Super out | The mantra out West was sell and repent but sell | In Boorowa the mantra was hang on and hope you get lucky | We noticed trees dying. Mary and I went out and did some counts in a few paddocks where there were quite a few trees. We calculated that at the rate they were dying that in 70 years there wouldn’t be many alive. That was the embryo and the awakening of an ecological conscience | We had no idea what we were doing to be honest and thought we were forming a group because there were a lot of trees dying in Boorowa…but the trees were actually an indication of a whole lot of other things that were going on…we were ecologically blind | Corona 19 has made people reconsider how they have been living and how dependent they are on so many things that are high energy products | I used to see myself as an agent responsible for healing the land…there is nothing wrong with this but now I see myself as someone who is observing the landscape that is healing itself. 

    Links 

    The Cattle Crash  – 1974

    Ian Armstrong –  Rural Action Movement 

    1982 drought NSW 

    Joan Kirner  – Conservation Minister ( 1985 – 88 ) instrumental in formation of first Landcare Groups.

    Andrew Campbell – Formerly manager of the Potter Farm Plan initiative, first Landcare Coordinator and now CEO of the ACIAR ( Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research) 

    ACF – Australian Conservation Foundation 

    NFF – National Farmers Federation 

    Bob Hawke – Landcare involvement 

    Boorowa Community Landcare Group –  History 

    Bertigan ( QLD)  Catchment Landcare Group / Gympie Landcare – History 

    An Agricultural Testament  – Author Arthur Howard

    A Silent Spring – Author Rachel Carsons

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  • S1 E7 | Lorraine Gordon

    In this episode Charlie speaks with Lorraine Gordon, Regenerative Agriculture’s First Lady!

     

     

    Lorraine takes us back to her early twenty’s when she first stepped onto the land, and her formidable journey from this point on. We cover off on some of her most important career milestones including her recent project the launch of the world’s first Regenerative Agricultural degree course at SCU. We talk Australia’s positioning on the world stage and also the regen. ag definition debate. 

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    Episode Takeaways:

    The power of collaborating and working together. Farmers are always going to be stronger when they pull resources and work together | RCS and Terry McCosker have done more for farming and grazing in this country than anyone else that I know | Regenerative Ag. is a whole way of thinking, it’s holistic thinking, it’s questioning and it’s a different journey for everybody who takes it. It’s not a prescriptive journey | Nobody owns the term regenerative, regenerate or regen. It’s not something you can own | There is no point giving money to farmers for a hay shed, if there’s no hay to put in the shed! | We’ve had drought, horrendously hot fires, now floods… and now we’re just waiting for the locust plague! |Our soils are the oldest soils in the world…we shouldn’t farm the way Europe farms. We need to farm the Australian way | The world is watching us. The world watched Australia burn | As a consumer, don’t sit there and say that I will become a vegan / vegetarian because livestock production is bad…that is coming from a point of ignorance because not all livestock production is bad | Farmers are the ultimate in action research!

    Links :

    Lorraine Gordon – 2020 NSW Australian of the Year nominee

    Ebor Beef Inc – Lorraine is the co-founder

    Regenerative Agriculture Alliance – Lorraine is the founder

    Yaraando Eco Lodge – Lorraine is the director

    Moffart Falls Pty Ltd – Lorraine is the director 

    Regenerative Agriculture Course – Southern Cross University / Lorraine is the Strategic director of projects at SCU

    Wayne Upton – cattle stalwart

    RCS – Resource Consultancy Services / Founder Terry McCosker 

    Farming Together –  pilot program for farming resources run by Southern Cross University 2016 – 2018

    National Marine Science Centre – SCU 

    Maia Grazing – Online grazing management software

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  • S1 E6 | Jim Gerrish

    In this episode Charlie chats to the American grazier & educator Jim Gerrish.

     

     

    Jim takes us on his regenerative journey and recalls the moment, when he realised that the aroma of freshly turned/ ploughed ground he had always liked growing up  was in fact the smell of the earth dying…this proved to be the turning point in his life. Jim’s  journey is a captivating one which touches on human health & diet, food definitions, changing farm practices and a whole lot more. 

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    Episode Takeaways

    We don’t need feedlots. We just need people who have grazing management skills to take a pasture and turn it into delightful beef | In research we don’t call it  a cow pie/cow pat, it’s a SEE…a Single Excretory Event! | We don’t need new knowledge, we need to be applying what we already know | The whole idea that beef cattle are destroying the environment is only tied to feedlot phase of it | The methane thing is a real red herring with grazing cattle, feedlots it’s a problem. It’s the production model not the ruminant animals that are the problem | Grass feeds the grass, grass feeds the soil, then grass can feed the livestock| Human health is instrincically linked to soil health. 

     

    To start a dialogue and converse more about topics raised in this podcast, please visit The Regenerative Journey podcast facebook group.

    Links

    Jim Gerrish – American Grazing Lands LLC  

    Maia Grazing – Grazing management tool 

    Dr. James Anderson – Scottish agriculturist in 1700’s

    Diana Rodgers – Sustainable Dish

    Sacred Cow – Film project led by Diana Rodgers 

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  • S1 E5 | Khory Hancock

    In this episode Charlie chats to Khory Hancock AKA ‘The Environmental Cowboy’.

     

     

    Khory talks candidly about his regenerative journey thus far & how the environmental cowboy persona came to be, including who & what inspires him. We delve into the psychology of change,  the importance of learning more about Australia’s indigenous roots as we look to safeguard our environment for generations to come & the role regenerative agriculture has to play in this.

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    Episode Takeaways

    Regenerative agriculture is really a journey of self discovery. Our beliefs and values have come from Traditional Australian practices which has been Primarily  about dominating nature. Regenerative farming is less about ego, less about domination and more about being aligned with nature | We have gone from culture to culture to generation to generation with the same beliefs and values and people don’t like change. But change is happening whether we like it or not  | We are at a point in history where we need to come together rather than divide | One person on their own cannot make significant difference but 7 billion acting together as one can make a big difference | When we talk about country. We talked about country as a thing. The indigenous when they talk about country, it’s so much deeper | It’s quite fearful for me to put myself out there like that. It’s nerve wracking! | Before I started the Environmental Cowboy I was definitely not free. I was afraid of people’s judgement. I was afraid of failing. I was scared of rejection, but I faced those fears…but now I feel free.

    Links

    Khory Hancock / The Environmental Cowboy – website

    The Environmental Cowboy – IG & FB

    The Environmental Cowboy – You Tube

    National Regenerative Agriculture day – 14th Feb annually

    David Ward – agronomist

    Charles Massy – author of ‘The Call of the Reed Warbler’

    Shane Fitzsimmons – Former NSW RFS Commissioner

    Celeste Barber – comedian

    David Marsh –  regenerative agriculture farmer

    Tony Robbins – life & business strategist

    Al Gore – US politician & environmentalist

    Bruce Lee – Chinese american actor, martial artist & philosopher

    Ben Brooksby

    – the Naked Farmer

    Derek & Kirilly Blomfield – The Conscious Farmer

    Building Bridges to Boorowa – Boorowa Comunity Landcare Group project

    Holly Richmond – writer

    Byron Bay Grass Fed –  beef producer

    Matthew Hussey – relationships coach

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  • S1 E4 | Sara Schmude

    In this episode Charlie chats with Sara Schmude,  regenerative agricultures golden girl.

     

    Sara’s 15 year relationship with the Landcare movement has played a pivital role in inspiring her interest in regenerative farming & the educating of children and adults alike. She launched the ‘Regenerative Agriculture Group’ facebook page in late 2018 and now boasts a global membership. Sara talks natural capital, and the definition of regenerative agriculture before delving deeper into the catalysts and kick starts that made up her regenerative journey.

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    Episode Takeaways

    Growing up on the land in the 70’s & 80’s being a female. Not recognised as someone who would be a land manager. Took it for granted that she wasn’t going to be on the land. Continued to ask questions – mustering became my second name | The calibre of people who are in this space is exceptional. Have got to a point in their life that they want to change. Their approach is really refreshing | A tribute to the boom in my garden is the Biodynamic compost. I feel connected with my garden. It feeds me every day, nurtures my soul. It’s integral | Good general advice-Manage for what you want. Not for what you don’t want | I just think it’s a boom time for agriculture | Working with nature. You start to find these rhythms , things start to function, mineral and water cycles. Really important. When we talk about adapting to our climate, we have to adapt these systems, we have to adapt our minds | If you raise your  soil carbon content by 1% you are drawing down 122 tonne per Ha of CO2 into your soils. So that has the potential to generate 122 ACCU per hectare | The government would be very wise to get as many people on board the carbon sequestration train, through education and empowering them to leverage their natural capital by drawing down the carbon in the soil | Regen ag is just open. It’s inclusive and easy to access. 

    Links

    Regenerative Agriculture  – facebook page 

     

    Impact Ag – Sara’s natural capital interest

     

    Introduction to Biodynamics Workshop – Biodynamics2024 & Charlie 

     

    Thalgarrah education centre, Armidale NSW

     

    Frog Dreaming  

     

    Inside Out Management – Brian Whelberg

     

    Hand For the Land – Graeme Hand

     

    Soil C Quest – Guy Webb

     

    KLR Marketing – Graham Rees

     

    Regenerative Agriculture book – Richard Perkins

     

    A Sand County Almanac – Aldo Leopold

     

    The Rodale Book of Composting – Rodale Institute

     

    Amazing Carbon – Dr. Christine Jones

     

    Maia Grazing Day and Grazing Systems

     

    Biocast – Vermicast bio stimulant product

     

    Regen Ag definition 

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  • S1 E3 | Damon Gameau

    In this episode Charlie chats to award winning film director & change maker Damon Gameau.

     

     

    He delves into his own Regenerative Journey, from his early career as an actor, and the pivotal moments that were the catalyst for his change in direction. They talk Covid-19 and the opportunities the pandemic is providing to reshape redundant mindsets, including the role of regenerative agriculture has to play in a new paradigm. No chat with Damon is complete without of course, delving into his 2040 film as we learn more about Damon’s inspirational fact based dreaming approach.

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    Episode Takeaways

    It felt like a noble job to be playing another human being.. but then, you have to juxtapose that with paying the bills | At the time I had really spent a lot of effort cultivating this persona of myself, of this rollie smoking, velvet jacket wearing actor.. who just loved the first 3 months of relationship, who just then ran for the hills | People who are genuinely doing amazing things.. like trying to help the planet, we just don’t have any accolades or awards ceremonies for those people.. this has always been baffling to me | We are so controlled by the story that we tell ourselves | With Covid-19 all those illusionary forms and structures have suddenly dissolved and we have seen how fragile our system is | Off the back of 2040, there has been so much travel with that…I just burnt myself out, traveling every week. It’s been quite a revelation to stop…to be at home | This is a moment – a rare moment, that the door is slightly a jar…This is the moment that we have been waiting for. Suddenly we have pressed stop on the system. In this pause moment, it’s the chrysalis, it’s the caterpillar going into the cocoon | All these key different elements of our biodiversity, they are so under the pump right now. Going back to normal (post Covid), is a suicide mission | We cant be outsourcing everything overseas anymore, the current system is not robust. It’s a 20th century model that’s trying to deal with 21st century problems. We have to adapt | Regenerative agriculture is absolutely the most exciting ‘bio tech’ that is emerging this century | All the magic is under our feet – it’s just waiting patiently, calmly | Be kind – don’t over think this, as a race we do actually get on. We do care about each other. 

    Links

    Whats your 2040 ? – website for Damon’s 2040 film (released 2019)

    Kate Raworth – Uk economist 

    Charles Massy – author of ‘Call of the Reed Warbler’

     Regen Ag course – Southern Cross University

    Martin Royds – Jillamatong, Braidwood

    Impossible foods – plant based food co.

    Sustainable Dish – Diane Rogers. 

     Polyface farms – Joel Salatin

    Raymond Williams – quote 

    The Intrepid Foundation – improving livelihoods through sustainable travel experiences

    Tim Flannery – Australian palaeontologist

    The Living Mountain – book by Nan Shepherd 

    The Future we Choose – book by  Christiana Figueres

    Fantastic Fungi – film

    The Tim Ferriss show  – podcast 

    Landmark Worldwide– transformation course / personal development 

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  • S1 E2 | Joel Salatin

    In this episode Charlie interviews American farmer and leading regenerative agriculture advocate Joel Salatin.

     

     

    Joel recounts his Regenerative Journey from his formative years as the son of a chicken farming accountant in Venezuela through the rehabilitation of his family farm in Swoope, Virginia, to the prolific supplier of fresh food to his customers and legendary public speaker. He talks about the importance of communication, authenticity and also about how highly he regards Australia within the regenerative agriculture space.

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    Episode Takeaways

    We moved forward in faith not in fear | If you stop fighting nature, and you see nature as a partner. Hand in hand going in the same direction, it costs a lot less financially and ecologically | Communication is typically not taught in ‘Farming 101’ | Farmers have to be experts in lots of things. There is a lot of talent within the farming community but a lot of time this isn’t leveraged. There are many number of things that farmers can do. It is a tragedy, a societal indictment, that we have created this mystic of the peasant farmer | My sense is that Australia is a very fragile landscape but it’s also a very wealthy country. As such the world’s eyes are on Australia to wear the responsibility seriously and continue to lead the world in regenerative practices.

    Links

    Polyface Farm – Joel’s farm

    Joel Salatin Nutrisoil ‘Sustainable abundance’ conference – 21/22nd May 2019, Victoria, AUS

    ‘Polyfaces’ documentary (2015) – filmed over 4 years by Darren Docherty and Lisa Heenan.

    The Top Five Regrets of the Dying – A Life Transformed by the Dearly Departing – Bronrie Ware

    Sex begins in the kitchen – Kevin Leman

    Albert Einstein –  Einstein said  definition of insanity ‘doing the same thing and hoping for a different result’. 

    Steven Covey – Circles of influence 

    BEEP (Boorowa Education Excursion Program) –  Boorowa Community Landcare Group

     

    See you at the top – Zig Ziglar 

     

    Alan Savoury – Zim ecologist (Alan Savory Institute) 

     

    The lean farm – Ben Hartman

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  • S1 E1 | Charlie Arnott

    In the first episode Charlie delves into his very own  ‘regenerative journey’.

     

     

    He provides listeners with an insight into his early farming years, the defining moments that finally propelled him to a new way of thinking and some of the key milestones that Charlie has reached on the way.

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    Episode Takeaways

    We were not running the farm with an entire view of the business or the impact we were having on the environment. The farm was a basket of resources that we could use…there was water, there was grass, there was soil, air, there was sunshine…and we essentially mined it…We were farming as we always had, we were doing as our neighbours did and we were farming in a way that we thought was appropriate | I had a cheque book in one hand and my ‘how to’ agronomic hand book in the other. We went pretty hard, burnt a lot diesel…Really every morning I was waking up and I was killing stuff. That was what one did. If one was farming one was unwittingly battling nature | I needed to bust paradigms.. I needed to change the paddock between my ears so that I could actually do things differently on the ground…I needed to change my attitude and to do that I was needing to ask myself better questions | Starting to use Biodynamics…That alone gave me some structure. It really resonated with me. It helped me understand my new relationship with nature and the context of that in farming, in business and in our lives | In farming, the practices and principals of farming are so entwined with oneself, ones personality ones purpose. If we are doing things in a way that is effective and productive and purposeful then we are also  building ourselves and defining and refining who we are in this world, not just in the agricultural space, and in the world of being a person, our role in mankind in humanity.

    Links

    Profiting from drought – 1 day Course  run by RCS ( Resource Consulting Services) 

    RCS – Grazing for Profit

    Holistic Management Land to Market Australia is a program run by the Australian Holistic Management Cooperative Limited. Uniquely, this project is being driven by producers and farmers themselves.

    Biodynamics – what is Biodynamics

    Biodynamics workshops – new website w/ info on workshops launching soon!

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